I knew that once the weather was respectable, when it was no longer dangerous, my skinny little skeleton would be transported, step by trembling step, up that perilous rigging. 1903. This website and associated newspapers adhere to the Independent Press Standards Organisation's He went on to be an SD subby. Report abuse. Richard Dunn. We are the largest and fastest growing community of UK forces veterans on the web with over 500,000 members! Initially, training continued to be carried out on the vessel, but after the completion of a shore-based facility at Shotley, the ship was sent to be broken up. It was at Shotley Point that the wooden ship HMS Ganges was berthed from 1899, and used as a cadet training ship for the Royal Navy. On the parade ground the order went something like On the command fix! The left hand went behind the cheek of your left buttock and twisted the bayonet and scabbard upward. The overall height is 143 feet 10 inches, with the button being 11 inches diameter and 3 inches thick. Posted on February 5, 2019 by irishroverpei. Picture: CLAGUE ARCHITECTS (Image: CLAGUE ARCHITECTS). He had the misfortune to be placed under the care of two particularly brutal and drunken instructors whose continual bullying and abuse proved too much for this emerging free spirit, . HMS Ganges moved moorings from Harwich to Shotley. Old men on the HMS Ganges Facebook page and it helps keep alive my time spent there. At 14 he ran away to join the Royal Navy and signed on for 12 years. Discipline was severe, routine constant and fear of punishment loomed at every turn. It was easy to spot those who had been here the longest. ", The boys climbed the mast whenever the base received high-status visitors, and as part of their training (Image: HMS Ganges Museum). Below are just some of our members who have served at HMS Ganges. I was at Ganges in 1955 and went to visit Shotley in 2005 and was surprised to see police signs near the old swimming baths. After sewing on a tag and sporting a proud smile as I offered it up for inspection to that gorilla-of-gunner, I was sent scurrying away, ears ringing from slaps and vehement words, asking myself, 'How the hell did I mange to sew the tag on upside-down?'. HMS Ganges is a little bit different though, because they have to get the spine road in first and do some prep work. It began snowing on Boxing Day. Shotley Marina, Shotley Gate, Ipswich, IP9 1QJ. Ken said: It was a dreadful winter. Read about our approach to external linking. . HMS Ganges being broken up after training was transferred to the land base at Shotley (Image: HMS Ganges Museum). Jim Gitsham, chairman of the Shotley branch of the HMS Ganges Association, said: "Members will be delighted that he's going down. Ganges Tales of the T.R.O.G.s Print length 264 pages Language English Publisher Second City Publishers, Penmarth, Cornwall Publication date 22 Nov. 1995 ISBN-10 090681605X ISBN-13 Photos showing the rusting mast at the former site of HMS Ganges at Shotley peninsula have been released on social media, prompting concerns that the 142ft high structure is not being properly. Registered in England & Wales | 01676637 |. Newsquest Media Group Ltd, Loudwater Mill, Station Road, High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire. HMS Ganges as a training ship in the 1900s (Image: HMS Ganges Museum). Several tales about bullying and the harsh regime generally, not so much about the famous and frequent official canings. Every new recruit was required to climb it, not to the very top but to the half moon, about thirty-feet from the top. After eating I dashed down to the boat sheds to report for my test. George Blake joined the Navy in 1935 and served up to 1950. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. I just got on with it. During the third disastrous week, it spent so much time on the deck I thought I might as well leave it there! John Garrett. RM B54PCM - Twiggy the baby elephant was half an hour late for her appointment to 'tow of the premises', the 47 year old Captain Derek Napper Napper, skipper of HMS Ganges the naval training school at Shotley Suffolk, and found she had been replaced by a couple of horses. This site is part of Newsquest's audited local newspaper network. Independent Babergh District councillor for Ganges, Derek Davis. Picture: CLAGUE ARCHITECTS (Image: CLAGUE ARCHITECTS). Name Hetzner Online GmbH - Contact Role. Recruits are shown how to stow a hammock - date of photograph unknown. There was a way to bypass it for cowards like me, but God help you if you tried using it. I recall watching a boy, who had been thrown in the deep end of the swimming pool, struggling in the water while a sadistic instructor smiled, saying, 'Look what happens if you can't bloody well swim?' If not, you would do it repeatedly, until you dropped dead if necessary. 11.00 to 17.00 Saturdays, Sundays and Bank Holidays between Easter and the end of October. At the tip of the Shotley peninsular sits a cluster of abandoned buildings that were once home to hundreds of young lads right at the start of their lives at sea. Review of a book of anecdotes about legendary UK boys' naval establishment HMS Ganges, which at any one time housed as many as 2,000 trainee sailors in their middle teens. I knew a gentleman who said when he was at Ganges in 1947 he had his first taste of hot food. HMS Ganges 2 in the harbour put all boys ashore and was then used as Naval Operations Ship, Harwich. I was sent to the training Ship HMS Ganges a cruel harsh 12 months lay ahead of me and thousands of other boys. Unfortunately HMS Ganges is no longer there apart from a few buildings and what is left of the mast. It. If you are dissatisfied with the response provided you can Those ads you do see are predominantly from local businesses promoting local services. I joined Ganges 30th June 1955 also as a boy telegraphist. First time ever looking at any RN sights. October, new Shore Establishment created and commissioned as Royal Navy Training Establishment, Shotley. Editors' Code of Practice. 10/01/36- 08/02/36 HMS Pembroke. Its really difficult to give a definitive time scale but once things get going I would imagine that progress will be very visible whereas a lot of the work going on over the past two or three years hasnt necessarily been seen by the public.. By creating an account you agree to us emailing you with newsletters and discounts, which you can switch off in your account at any time. Recruits used to climb the 143ft (44m)-high mast in formation, with the "button boy" standing on a small, circular platform at the very top, hands-free, but with his legs resting against a metal supporting bar. Peter Cook. Developers Wavensmere Homes and Galliard Homes plan to build almost 300 homes on the site and include a restored mast in the development. Mr Jones also offered reassurance around the historic mast, despite fears about its dilapidated state. The inquiry was carried out by Hampshire Police after debit card transactions of 4,200 and cash machine withdrawals totalling 74,000 were made from the association's bank accounts between August 2010 and June 2012. Work on the scheme, which would see 285 new homes, a 60-bed nursing home, a large retail space and areas for medical services, will not be started until a spine road through the site, which will take the bulk of construction traffic away from main roads, is built. One person found this helpful. He was sitting on a stool and told me to stand in front of him and begin. Steve Tarr. http://www.28dayslater.co.uk/hms-ganges-swimming-pool-shotley-may-2015.t96792, Anniversary Toast - HMS RALEIGH 25th Oct 2009, Telegraph: "Captain Peter Grindal Obituary", Future Ford vehicles could repossess themselves, 10 myths told by Covid 'experts' now debunked. In the first week of January it was snowed even harder and it snowed until March. He had the misfortune to be placed under the care of two particularly brutal and drunken instructors whose continual bullying and abuse proved too much for this emerging free spirit . Editors' Code of Practice. Observer career path/ real life experience. I allowed my head to tilt backward, sending my gaze to the very top, to the lightning conductor where the Button Boy stood on ceremonial occasions. The only thing I can remember of that awesome night, apart from collecting a kit bag and filling it to capacity with kit, was sobbing myself to sleep and that I ate the biggest meal I'd ever eaten in my entire 15 years of life. Picture: SARAH LUCY BROWN, Artist's impression showing the view across a residential street at the redeveloped HMS Ganges site in Shotley Gate. So as I have said already, we kept our heads down aiming for that final day when wed be drafted to a ship. This site uses cookies. Ronald Carr. She was based alternately in Falmouth, Harwich (from 1899) and Shotley (from 1905). The latest development means that construction work could start immediately, however, due to the coronavirus outbreak, progress has been delayed. It had been HO (Hostilities-only) traing during the war. HMS Ganges was a "stone frigate" or land-based institution for the Royal Navy, and between 1905 and 1976 was one of the key training bases used to prepare sailors to defend Great Britain. A Gannett Company. St George IOM Boys training 3/5/45 Christmas leave 45 took all kit and returned to Ipswich station, then by the ubiquitous 3 ton Bedford to Shotley where we reopened HMS Ganges as a boys establishment. This gallery has been set up as a home for images that have not so far been added to the Museums Official Website https://www.hmsgangesmuseum.com/ Frederick "Ben" Rodgers author of "Lily & Me", "The Royal Navy & Me" and collector of Rover automobiles, Review from Newfoundland CraigChurchill. At 14 he ran away to join the Royal Navy and 'signed on' for 12 years. The BBC is not responsible for the content of external sites. She was established as a boys' training establishment in 1865, and was based aboard a number of hulks before moving ashore. ', and he replied that it was the first time he had a warm bed, three hot meals a day, and a roof over his head that didn't leak. and I got seven days 9s. joined in '63 Dreadnought in the Annexe and Duncan in main camp, Went swimming at Vincent before colling-grad got its pool, and sailing if my memory is not totally shot, I sometimes considered climbing to the top of the mast a tossing myself off. Harry and Meghan told to 'vacate' Frogmore Cottage, Explosive found in check-in luggage at US airport, Fungus case forces Jack Daniels to halt construction, Rare Jurassic-era bug found at Arkansas Walmart, China and Belarus call for peace in Ukraine. The skipper was HS McKenzie who went FOSM. 1914. From the annexe, I had sometimes seen it, partly hidden by snowy skies as it towered above the buildings, and it looked frightening then, but now, marching beneath its cobweb rigging, it looked truly awesome. At Gagnes they spent 12 months training, and they learned everything you need to do to run a ship. My heart sank and my elation evaporated as I desperately tried to quash all fears of my body falling from the Devil's Elbow. The kindly chef asked me whether I intended to eat the mountain of food I'd heaped on my plate or climb it! ", The honours board from the HMS Ganges, showing the victories of all the Royal Navy ships bearing the name (Image: HMS Ganges Museum). The cinemas would be packed with rows of Ganges boys in uniform and the caf at the corner of St Stephen's Lane would sell them many cups of tea as they waited for their bus back to Shotley. This website and associated newspapers adhere to the Independent Press Standards Organisation's Read about our approach to external linking. In 1905 when the Ganges vessel was finally retired (and towed away to Chatham), the training facility, still named HMS Ganges, moved ashore. Bob Roberts. . 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She remained in service at RNTE Shotley until October 1976. But, because of the lockdown nothing has really moved and I think, even though construction workers havent leagally been told theyre not allowed to do anything, the owners are a bit reluctant to move. These adverts enable local businesses to get in front of their target audience the local community. HP10 9TY. Reviewed in the United Kingdom on 16 June 2021 . Even by naval training standards life there was controlled by a very strict regime. In attendance was a senior officer, medical officer and the master at arms. inaccuracy or intrusion, then please The HMS Ganges training base, which opened in 1905, closed in 1976 and has remained derelict. "A lot of the boys came from foster homes, or Barnardos. As Rudyard Kipping wrote in his famous poem IF the you will be a man my son. An appeal by Woolverstone Parish Council was turned down two years later. If you have a complaint about the editorial content which relates to the reason i remember the date is that it was my 15th birthday, We got shipped out to Suez in October 1956 cutting short our training by a couple of months. He was the officer that tested us when we endeavoured to qualify with a bosuns pipe. Data returned from the Piano 'meterActive/meterExpired' callback event. Free (donations towards running costs are welcome) The one chippy bugger who thought it good fun to make you spar with him in the wash room (Annexe) I met up with in the Far Flung and gave him more than he gave me. Welcome to Forces Reunited the place where you can find information and friends from HMS Ganges. CHARGE CHIEF PETTY OFFICER (WEA) Served from 1974 - 1997 Served in HMS Ganges. Picture: CLAGUE ARCHITECTS, Independent Babergh District councillor for Ganges, Derek Davis. It closed in 1998 or something. Outbreak of World War One. For more information, please see our Privacy Policy, Please enter a password with 6 characters or more. ", HMS Ganges as a warship (Image: HMS Ganges Museum). It would seem those boy-sailors who were seconds ago shoving sausages into smiling faces, had all disappeared into that terrifying building, and by the cries belching from its belly were being eaten alive. We can reunite you with your friends who served at HMS Ganges and we have a wealth of information on different units, bases and ships in the site. Download Citation | On Feb 1, 2023, Olivier Champagne and others published Future change in amplitude and timing of high-flow events in a Canadian subarctic watershed | Find, read and cite all the . 1937. They looked smarter, more confident, or even downright dejected. 1905 - 1976 We had no one to confide in, our instructors would more than likely told us not to tell tales. Most boys just wanted to complete their year and go to sea. The lower portion of the mast is steel, extending 18 feet (5.5 m) below ground and 30 feet (9.1 m) above ground. Tony Hayden. She was established as a boys' training establishment in 1865, and was based aboard a number of hulks before moving ashore. We were ordered to turn around and bend over, if the instructor was satisfied we were clean, we were allowed out. After such a long time I think it will be a welcome relief for a lot of people. Looking pretty in candy-striped pyjama bottoms and naked chests, we were ordered across the parade ground, through the snow and ice, to the 'heads', that grown-up potty land, which had neither doors nor partitions around the bowls for privacy, to partake in our morning ablutions, a most embarrassing experience. Researched and compiled by A. S. Grimmer (Solent Division) who sadly crossed the bar 6th January 2007. I would like to see the mast and museum moved to the safety of HMS Raleigh though to ensure its upkeep and maintenance. Crowned on June 2, 1953, at the age of 25, Elizabeth II went on to have the longest reign for a British queen. Please Login or Register. Other things we had to do included, clean a toilet with a toothbrush, polish a hundred square feet of block-wood flooring with a boot brush every night before going to bed, paint the inside of a dustbin white before putting your rubbish into it. The training was tough, brutal at times, yet many of those who came through remember HMS Ganges, at Shotley Gate, with a certain fondness. Dave Walton RN retired. Martin Foster was treasurer for veterans who served at HMS Ganges training base in Sufffolk. Aerial artist's impression of one of the green spaces earmarked for the former HMS Ganges site in Shotley Gate. CLICK ABOVE TO OPEN GALLERY. Contents 1 Foundation and early history 1.1 Allegations of abuse 2 Ganges at Harwich 3 Ganges at Shotley 3.1 1906 changes 3.2 Later developments 3.3 First World War 3.4 Post war developments 3.5 Ganges in the Second World War 3.6 Postwar and closure 4 References 5 External links Rather than do the two as a pongo I signed on the dotted line for a dozen , best thing I ever did and I regret not staying in for the full time . Some 100 boy-sailors were in the canteen, chewing and chattering; clattering knives forks and spoons against plates and bowls. Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. For breakfast porridge was on offer, that salt-coated gruel I'd been forced to eat every morning of my schoolboy days. yes I was there in 92 .Essex, Nolfolk , Herts Suffolk and Cambs police all used it. Once the situation eases a bit there will be tangible progress to be seen.. She was based alternately in Falmouth, Harwich (from 1899) and Shotley (from 1905). document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. If you cracked on and didn't buckle you were okay, but I wouldn't want to do it again. Graduating from Ganges held the promise of better times ahead, we would be real sailors, excited at the prospect of visiting far off and exotic lands. BBC Blue Peter presenter John Noakes attempted to climb to the top of the mast. HMS Ganges was a training ship and later stone frigate of the Royal Navy. He would lay on the number of cuts prescribed, each cut raised a welt on the boys buttocks. His fellow recruit, Phil Bridge, said it was "a sad day, because it means a lot to us", but he was looking forward to a restored mast being returned. RO1 (T) Served from 1970 - 1975 Served in HMS Ganges. This was the job of the button boy at HMS Ganges who had to shin up the last fifteen feet or so to climb on the button during ceremonial parades. The white letters would then be transformed, by our nimble fingers, into red with silk thread using the chain stitch. There were stories of many similar violations but none ever reported. Each evening after we had cleaned the mess, we took everything out of the locker rolled each item into a nine-inch sausage, tied white tape around both ends, and then placed every item on a blanket. Yes, I got it wrong! The HMS Ganges training base, which opened in 1905, closed in 1976 and has remained . On October 28 the White Ensign was lowered for the last time and the ships figurehead was transferred to Royal Hospital School, Holbrook. HMS Ganges was the name given to several Royal Navy ships since from 1779, but in 1905 it was chosen as title for a new training base at Shotley Gate, near Ipswich where about 500 boy recruits were stationed. Captain Tremlett, the Senior Officer of training ships, was ordered to investigate the situation and reported that Commander Stevens 'had given punishments . It is important that we continue to promote these adverts as our local businesses need as much support as possible during these challenging times. She was established as a boys' training establishment in 1865, and was based aboard a number of hulks before moving ashore. "Most of what was on the site went to the naval museum in Portsmouth, but we have the honours board and figurehead from the original ship. Boys normally signed up to a contract of 12 years, which would leave most of them aged in their late 20s after their tours. #42. She was established as a boys' training establishment in 1865, and was based aboard a number of hulks before moving ashore. Sailors' uniforms were a familiar sight in our area until HMS Ganges closed in June 1976. After initial training we were marched from the training camp. The pipe (whistle) was used aboard ship for passing orders and instructions. Welcome to our next documentary, investigating the decaying remains and iconic abandoned swimming pool of HMS Ganges Royal Naval training school, as well as . Martin Foster, 54, of Haig Road, Uxbridge, had already admitted two charges of fraud by abuse of position. HMS Ganges 'He had the misfortune to be placed under the care of two particularly brutal and drunken instructors whose continual bullying and abuse proved too much for this emerging free spirit ' His early life was hard by any standards. It would not be an exaggeration to say not one of us had the slightest idea of what lay in store for the next year. HMS Ganges was a "stone frigate" or land-based institution for the Royal Navy, and between 1905 and 1976 was one of the key training bases used to prepare sailors to defend Great Britain. Mast erected using the foremast of HMS Cordelia, which was broken up 1904. 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